Geoff, Dilated Cardiomyopathy

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Bericht door Geoff » za nov 04, 2006 2:34 pm

Hello,

I am 43 years old, and very active and fit. I was recently diagnosed with DCM as found by an echocardiogram recommended for a heart murmur. My ejection fraction is 40. I am interested in participating in your cardio protocol. I have mentioned this to my cardiologist and he does not want to have "competing doctors". However, I believe there is a natural way and supplements have to be helpful for the repair of the heart muscle.

Currently I am taking Coreg 6.25 mg twice per day.

Lipitor, 500 mg once per day.

Heart Failure Protocol:

CoQ10 100 mg twice per day

Taurine 1000 mg in the morning and 500 mg in the evening

L-Carnitine 1000 mg in the morning and 500 mg in the evening

(Should I change the times of these, since I have been taking them together?)


I have had no real symptoms from this condition, and my exercise schedule is fairly active for my age. I run, swim, and lift weights.

I will be undergoing a stress test in 2 weeks, then an angiograph to determine the extent of the damage.

My cardiomyopathy protocol using supplements has been ongoing for 2 weeks. I did not begin on phase 1 as OKed by Corrij since I have had no fatigue or activity issues.

Willy and Corrij, do you have any further recommendations at this time, or should I proceed to Phase 3 as you have outlined in 2-4 more weeks?

Thank you for your assistance.

Geoff
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Bericht door Willy » za nov 04, 2006 3:54 pm

Hello Geoff execelent to have you on our forum

Skipping Phase I is oke I understand Corrij's reason. But................

If you have an apetite for sweets in the afternoon add chromium.

Change l-carnitine --> l-acetyl-carnitine the next time, keep the same dosage

Start with pahse 3, but add a good multivitamin with sufficient folic acid and B6, I will change the protocol next month because of new research, see

http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/97/5/437

and if you want more home work

http://utopia.knoware.nl/~wwitsel/main/ ... b-vitamine

Ask your cardiologist to check your EJF after 9 months from now.
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Bericht door Geoff » za nov 04, 2006 4:12 pm

Willie,

Thanks for your advice. I will begin phase 3, and switch to L acetyl carnitine. Do you recommend taking the amino acids at different times of the day, and not together? Is it OK to take the full 1500mg of taurine and carnitine at once, or should I split it up throughout the day?

Thanks,

Geoff
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Bericht door Willy » za nov 04, 2006 4:21 pm

I will ask the help of Corrij, see is more4 experienced on this subject.

Start looking also into the food phase section and implement that also
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Bericht door Corrij (therapeut) » za nov 04, 2006 8:25 pm

Hello Geoff,

First of all a very warm welcome on this forum :D

I just wanted to say that it would be best to take the amino acids
separately on a empty stomach.


For instance the carnitine half an hour before breakfast or two hours after breakfast

The taurine half an hour before lunch or diner. or two hours after
This is to get an as big as possible effect.
.
The same counts for the argine/ornithine. this is to avoid the amino acid competition.
These three you're not allowed to take at the same time.
the carnitine in the morning, the taurine in the afternoon and the argine/ornithine in the evening.

If you have any question,don`t hesitate,

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Bericht door Geoff » zo nov 05, 2006 4:39 am

Corrij,

Thank you for your advice and assistance. I will take the amino acids exactly as you have described. I truly appreciate all of your help.

Sincerely,

Geoff
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Bericht door Geoff » zo nov 05, 2006 5:05 am

Corrij,

Could you please advise me on phase 3 of the protocol, is it arginine/orthinine and alpha-lipoic acid? The suggested supplement page of the home page lists different supplements. Please let me know which to use.

Best to you,

Geoff
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Bericht door Willy » zo nov 05, 2006 12:54 pm

No, HGH releasers, arg/orn, will be used last.

Phase 3 is all about not getting a heart attack (atherosclerosis).

You can ask your cardiologist to perform the follwing blood tests to see what your risks are to get a heart attack
<UL>
<LI><a href="javascript:openPopupExtra('http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/97/20/2007', '800', '600',0,0,1,1);">CRP</A>, <a href="javascript:openPopupExtra('http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... 3253a04658', '800', '600',0,0,1,1);">fibrinogeen</A>
<LI><a href="javascript:openPopupExtra('http://www.annals.org/cgi/reprint/131/5/363.pdf', '800', '600',0,0,1,1);">Homocysteïne</A>
<LI><a href="javascript:openPopupExtra('http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... med_docsum', '800', '600',0,0,1,1);">Verhouding totaal cholesterol / HDL en HDL apart</A>
<LI><a href="javascript:openPopupExtra('http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... r=abstract', '800', '600',0,0,1,1);">Triglyceriden</a>
<LI><a href="javascript:openPopupExtra('http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... med_docsum', '800', '600',0,0,1,1);">HbA1c</A>
</UL>Give your doctor the scientific abstracts if he or she is not convinced.

If you are NOT in the danger zone, you can skip phase 3.
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Bericht door Geoff » zo nov 05, 2006 8:29 pm

Willy,

I am a bit confused, in your e-mail dated 4 Nov, you stated, " Start with Phase 3 but add a good multivitamin with sufficient folic acid and B-6."

Next, you said to skip Phase 3.

Should I be adding the following: alpha lipoic acid, vitamin E and vitamin C. This is what the website states in the 10 steps to treat cardiomyopayhy website. Do you recommend these supplements at this time?

Geoff
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Bericht door Corrij (therapeut) » ma nov 06, 2006 10:18 am

Hello Geoff,

Youre now taking Q10,Taurine and Carnitine?
You can added vitamine C 3000 mg a day,vitamine E 1 x 512 IE a day and a really good multi vitamin.

I also recommend the Chromium, I did before in one of our mails.

The other supplements we added in a later stage,in a few weeks,not to fast :D
Let your body get used to the supplements.

So your list is at this moment,
Q10
Taurine
Carnitine
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Multi vitamin
Chromium

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Bericht door Geoff » ma nov 06, 2006 2:34 pm

Corrij,

Thank you for your clarification. I appreciate your help, and am following the protocol exactly. Have a wonderful day.


Sincerely,

Geoff
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Next Phase?

Bericht door Geoff » ma dec 04, 2006 3:08 pm

Corrij,

It has been 4 weeks on this phase of the protocol, currently, I am taking:

Q10
Taurine
Carnitine
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Multi-Vitamin
Chromium



I currently feel fine, and I recently had a stress test with the cardiologist. I had good results on the stress test.


What is the next phase of the dilated cardiomyopathy protocol?

Thanks for your help.

Geoff
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Bericht door Corrij (therapeut) » ma dec 04, 2006 6:01 pm

Hi Geoff,


I `am very happy to hear that you`re feeling quit well :D ,

You can added the last supplements of the protocol.

Alpha-lipioc acid 2 x 100 mg a day

Magnesium Glycinate 2 x 100mg

Arginine/Ornithine,you should take them at night before you go to sleep,1500 arginine and 750 ornithine,

http://www.candida-fibromyalgie-hypogly ... php?t=3605

http://www.candida-fibromyalgie-hypogly ... php?t=3615

http://www.candida-fibromyalgie-hypogly ... php?t=3613


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Bericht door Geoff » di dec 05, 2006 2:11 am

Corrij,

Thank you for providing me with guidance for the next phase. I will follow your instructions as given. I will let you know of my progress!!

Regards,

Geoff
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Bericht door Corrij (therapeut) » di dec 05, 2006 6:24 pm

Hi Geoff,


Youre welcome :D

regards Corrij
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