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Berichtdoor david 1 » Wo Jun 13, 2007 2:09 am

Thanks for all the information. Someone at work mention green tea supplements increase metabolism, do you know if this is true. You also mentioned chromium is that the same as chromium piccolate? I have a question about the Vitamin E...you typed 1 x512 IE is that 512 mg? Or am i looking for something 512IE?

After reading your post i got to thinking, I wonder if the Xenadrine EFX may have caused this. It is Ephedra Free, but before that I was taking Stackers 3 with ephedra off and on.

Thanks again :wink:

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Berichtdoor Corrij (therapeut) » Wo Jun 13, 2007 11:04 am

Hi David,

Yes Green tea increase your metabolism.

If you can`t find chromium GFT chromium picolinate will do the job as well :D

1 IE vitamine E = 1.00 mg DL-α-tocoferolacetaat

0.909 mg DL-α-tocoferol
0.735 mg D-α-tocoferolacetaat
0.67 mg D-α-tocoferol
1.1236 mg DL-α-tocoferolsuccinaat
0.826 mg D-α-tocoferolsuccinaat

So you can say that 1 IE is about 1 mg

I don`t believe that Xenadrine have caused cardiomyopathy, you can ask your cardiologist if the use of ephedra can caused this.But I don`t think so,

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Berichtdoor Corrij (therapeut) » Do Jun 21, 2007 9:15 pm

Hi David,

Have you loose some weight yet?
How are you doing?

Here in the Netherlands is holiday season arrived :D
Do you have plans for a vacation?

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Berichtdoor david 1 » Vr Jun 22, 2007 11:36 am

Hello,

Yes I have started to lose weight again. I am doing fine, went in to see the cardiologist today for blood pressure check. It was 100 / 72 which seems low to me, but it didn't raise any concern to them. I go for an echocardiogram on July 10th, its the first one since starting the medication and the supplements. No, we are not going anywhere for vacation, we are saving our money. We are getting married on Oct 13th, then going on a 7 day cruise the next day. I am hoping this "little"heart problem of mine will be better at least a little by then. Thanks for checking up on me, work schedule has been tough lately so i havent had much time online.

talk to you later

David

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Berichtdoor Corrij (therapeut) » Vr Jun 22, 2007 1:13 pm

Hi David,

That`s very good I am proud of you :D
How many weight have you lost?

Youre bloodpressure is oke, its better for youre heart to keep the bloodpressure as low as possible.

I believe it is to soon to see any different on the echocardiogram on july

I do hope that on Oct.13th youre heart condition has improved, and that youre not longer are overweight so youre wife gets a adonis as husband :D

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Berichtdoor david 1 » Vr Jul 13, 2007 7:51 am

Hello,

Well, I had Echo on Tues and as I figured no real changes yet. I talked to my cardiologists nurse and she told me that my EF was still 30% and it said minor left ventricle dysfunction. I talk to my doctor on Aug 8th.

I was wondering if I need to take any other supplements or if what I am taking is good for now. As before I feel great, no symptoms at all. I am still surprised they are finding this problem with me. I exercise daily.


Well once again as always thanks for your help, I think this is a great forum and you are very nice people. I just wanted to give an update.


Thank You

David

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Berichtdoor Corrij (therapeut) » Vr Jul 13, 2007 9:25 pm

Hi David,

Thank you for your update :D

It`s too soon to see progress on a echo, the whole treatment takes about two years time.

But youre feeling great, keep exercising :wink:

If I am right youre taking now these supplements,

Q10
Carnitine
Taurine
Vitamin E
Alpha-lipioc acid
Selenium
Vitamin C

Is this correct?

The only supplement you could add is D-Ribose,

D-Ribose improves diastolic function and quality of life in congestive heart failure patients: a prospective feasibility study.Omran H, Illien S, MacCarter D, St Cyr J, Luderitz B.
Department of Medicine-Cardiology, University of Bonn, Sigmund-Freud-Street 25, D-53105, Bonn, Germany. omran@uni-bonn.de

Patients with chronic coronary heart disease often suffer from congestive heart failure (CHF) despite multiple drug therapies. D-Ribose has been shown in animal models to improve cardiac energy metabolism and function following ischaemia. This was a prospective, double blind, randomized, crossover design study, to assess the effect of oral D-ribose supplementation on cardiac hemodynamics and quality of life in 15 patients with chronic coronary artery disease and CHF. The study consisted of two treatment periods of 3 weeks, during which either oral D-ribose or placebo was administered followed by a 1-week wash out period, and then administration of the other supplement. Assessment of myocardial functional parameters by echocardiography, quality of life using the SF-36 questionnaire and functional capacity using cycle ergometer testing was performed. The administration of D-ribose resulted in an enhancement of atrial contribution to left ventricular filling (40+/-11 vs. 45+/-9%, P=0.02), a smaller left atrial dimension (54+/-20 vs. 47+/-18 ml, P=0.02) and a shortened E wave deceleration (235+/-64 vs. 196+/-42, P=0.002) by echocardiography. Further, D-ribose also demonstrated a significant improvement of the patient's quality of life (417+/-118 vs. 467+/-128, P< or =0.01). In comparison, placebo did not result in any significant echocardiographic changes or in quality of life. This feasibility study in patients with coronary artery disease in CHF revealed the beneficial effects of D-ribose by improving diastolic functional parameters and enhancing quality of life.

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Berichtdoor Corrij (therapeut) » Di Aug 14, 2007 8:12 pm

Hi David,

How are you?
Can you give me a quick update :D

Have you seen your doctor yet?

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Berichtdoor david 1 » Ma Aug 27, 2007 5:15 pm

I am good thank you. Sorry I didnt reply sooner, we just got back from vacation. I saw my doctor on Aug 8th. He told me there were no changes, still had mild left venticular dysfunction (Im guessing that means enlargement), and 30% EF. He told me that my body is compensating very well. I still have no water retention, no noticeable symptoms. Am I still ok with the protocol that i am on or is there something else i should try to take? I just want to be taking everything possible to fix this, before it get worse, especially if its ""mild" now. The next time i go to see my doctor is in Nov.

L-Carnitine 3x a day 500
Q10- 2x100
Taurine 3-500
Vitamin C- 3x 1000
Vitamin E 1 x 512 IE
alpha-lipoic 1X300
selenium 1X200

Thanks for asking how i was doing, its really appreciated.

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Berichtdoor Corrij (therapeut) » Ma Aug 27, 2007 10:20 pm

Hi David,

Hope your had a very nice vacation :D

It`s too soon to see any changes and also to have a improvement in your EF, normally it takes about one sometimes two years.
Firts your feeling better and later on your cardiologist can also see the changes.

What you can add is, D-Ribose 12 gr. a day (powder)

Coronary Heart Disease (CHD) typically begins when, for one reason or another, the heart is unable to get the proper supply of blood, oxygen, energy or some combination of the three. Because the heart is a muscle and muscles need oxygen and energy in order to repair/rebuild themselves, it is of utmost importance to make sure your heart is getting the energy it needs.

Whether you suffer from CHD or just want to maintain good heart health, you should consider supplementing your diet with Wellness Partners RiboPure Crystals.

Who needs supplemental ribose?

Everyone needs ribose. It is an essential ingredient in stimulating natural energy production. Research has shown that ribose promotes cardiovascular health, reduces cardiac stress associated with strenuous activity and helps athletes reach new heights. Ribose helps hearts and muscles maximize energy recovery. Whether you are a trained athlete, a weekend warrior or are concerned about your cardiovascular health, ribose may help give the energy boost your body needs.


What will ribose do for someone concerned about cardiovascular health?

Numerous medical studies have shown that energy levels in the heart can be dramatically lowered by exercise or decreased blood flow associated with certain cardiac diseases. Depleted cardiac energy pools may be associated with increased cardiac stress, reduced blood flow to the periphery of the body, fatigue and decreased exercise tolerance. Ribose is the key nutrient for quickly restoring cardiac energy stores.


Recovery For Your Heart

Clinical and laboratory studies on the hearts of both animals and humans have shown many positive benefits of ribose including ventricular function (that is -- how well the heart is pumping blood) and enhanced recovery of energy-carrying nucleotide levels following ischemia (that is -- a lack of oxygen to tissues), and increased abililty to tolerate exercise in patients with stable coronary artery disease.

Low Blood Flow

When the flow of blood to the heart is impeded, it results in a substantial lowering of tissue energy. We know that this is the case because we see a decrease in the level of ATP (energy) in the heart tissues. With less energy comes a less efficient heart.2,3

Because this situation can occur in patients experiencing heart problems as well as those recovering from a surgical procedure where the blood flow was stopped for an extended period of time, researchers have been looking for ways to provide energy to the tissues in the form of a supplement.

In a series of oxygen depletion studies it was found that the process the body goes through to synthesize energy for the cells was impaired greatly.12,13,24,25 By providing ribose to the heart, the process of synthesizing energy is stimulated. The presence of ribose allows the body to skip several steps in the synthesizing process, leading to the production of PRPP.

This increase in PRPP levels is noted to be accompanied by accelerated cardiac adenine nucleotide synthesis and improved global heart function. Thus, ribose restores cardiac energy reserves and positively affects myocardial function.

Coronary Heart Disease and Exercise

The effect of orally-administered ribose on exercise tolerance in stable coronary artery disease patients has also been studied.26 Patients were randomized into two groups. Ten patients received placebo (glucose) for three days and another 10 patients received ribose dissolved in water for the same time period. A treadmill evaluation was performed in all patients after taking the supplement.

In the ribose-treated group, the mean walking time to the exercise threshold was significantly greater than in the placebo group (p < 0.002). The time to both the threshold and the onset of moderate angina was also prolonged significantly in the ribose group compared to its pre-ribose baseline (p<0.005).

These results show that patients who had been given ribose were able to exercise longer without chest pain or evidence of ischemia than patients who did not receive ribose.

Ribose and Cardiomyopathy

Another research study reported that ribose infusion in conjunction with dobutamine stress echocardiography increases the contractile response in hibernating regions of the heart.31 In a placebo-controlled double-blind study twenty-five patients with ischemic cardiomyopathy were infused with either D-ribose or dextrose placebo for the 4 hours prior to dobutamine stress echocardiography.

On day two the patients were crossed over to the alternate treatment. During dobutamine stress echocardiography more dysfunctional wall segments responded with improved wall motion when D-ribose was infused prior to the procedure as compared to placebo (p = 0.02). In patients who then underwent coronary artery bypass surgery the predictive sensitivity for functional recovery of the segments identified during the D-ribose infusion was greater than those identified during placebo infusion.

A recent review provides the background and rationale for the use of ribose in metabolic support of the heart.32 Evidence such as that discussed above is presented in support of the main hypothesis that ribose is the rate-limiting component (that is -- one with the ability to bypass several steps in the synthesis of energy) in the pathways necessary for the heart to restore depleted adenine nucleotide levels.

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Berichtdoor Corrij (therapeut) » Wo Okt 17, 2007 12:50 pm

Hello MARRIED man,

How was your wedding?I hope great :D

CONGRATULATIONS to the both of you :D

Can you give me a little update?

greetings,
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Berichtdoor david 1 » Di Okt 23, 2007 3:37 pm

Hello,

Yes, the wedding went great, just got home from the honeymoon. I have no updates yet, Im scheduled for an echo on nov 7th. I go see the cardiologist on nov 28th. I must admit, Im getting tired of stressing over this heart issue. Other than that i have felt fine. Im terrified to go to get the echo, thats what was so good about vacation, I didnt have to worry about all this. I'll message you as soon as I get my results, I should have them by the 8th or 9th of nov.

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Berichtdoor Corrij (therapeut) » Vr Okt 26, 2007 3:02 pm

Hi David,

I wish you good luck when you see your cardiologist, and there is nothing to be afraid off.

I`ll be wating for your next message :D

greetings,
Corrij
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Berichtdoor david 1 » Do Nov 22, 2007 8:18 am

Hi Corrij

I had my Echo done on Nov 7th, I dont go see the Dr till next week on the 28th for the results. I did call his nurse, and she gave me a quick run down of the results. EF is still at 30% and is slightly enlarged. (minor left ventrical dysfuntion). So its not any better, but its not any worse either. It is exactly the same. Ill post after I see the Dr. I had 3 quick questions. 1. The sales lady at the health food store that i buy my NOW supplements from suggested I take L-Citrulline. she said it helps blood flow. I didnt want to take anything with out your consent. 2. I want to start taking D-Ribose like you suggested a few posts back. how much should I take and if I cant find powder can I take capsule form? 3. I have been scanning other posts from people you have been suggesting MSM, you never suggested that for me. Is it not needed? I dont mind cause I take a lot of different things now. Anyways, as always Thank You for everything, this forum has been a life saver (literally) for me. :wink:


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Berichtdoor Corrij (therapeut) » Do Nov 22, 2007 10:57 pm

Hi David,

It is true, L-Cirtrulline is helping the bloodflow, but it is not a part of our protocol.

I prefer that you start the D-ribose and you can also start taking

Arginine/ornithine

http://www.candida-fibromyalgie-hypogly ... php?t=3615

The best you can buy is ribose powder because the amount is very big, 12 gram a day, a capsule is normally 500 mg.

MSM and Chromium are not a part of the protocol, I suggest this to people who are very tired because it will give them a little bit more energy.And when a EF is very low we always start with these two supplements.

Youre condition was not that bad so I skip the intro :D

Youre following the protocol for six months now and this is to short to see changes on a echo, normally it takes one year or more so keep faith :D

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Corrij
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